Saturday, July 29, 2006

'Bricklane' unfolds battle of words

The novel 'Bricklane' by Monica Ali has been the subject of controversy since the novel came out and was chosen for the prestigious Booker prize. Bricklane is perhaps the most celebrated Asian place in Britain, popularly (and officially) known as Bangla town and home to thousands of Bangladeshis. The story of 'Bricklane' revoles around this famous street and Sylhetis is general.

Ali's sharp-witted tale explores the immigrant's dilemma of belonging. Nazneen, a young Bangladeshi woman, moves to London's Bangla Town (around the street of the title) in the mid-nineteen-eighties after an arranged marriage with an older man. Seen through Nazneen's eyes, England is at first utterly baffling, but over the seventeen years of the narrative (which takes us into the post-September 11th era), she gradually finds her way, bringing up two daughters and eventually starting an all-female tailoring business. Meanwhile, the more outwardly assertive characters—her comically pompous husband, her rebellious sister back in Bangladesh, and a young Muslim activist with whom Nazneen has an affair—lose their bearings in their various attempts to embrace or reject their heritage. In Ali's subtle narration, Nazneen's mixture of traditionalism and adaptability, of acceptance and restlessness, emerges as a quiet strength.....New Yorker Read this and other reviews on Amazon
Although the Sylheti community were offended at first when the book first came out, somehow it settled down later on. But the controversy has been re-ignited again when a deceision was taken to turn the controversial book into a movie. Protests were all around Bricklane to stop the filming and the Sylheti leaders were quick to express their anger over the depiction of their community in the book. From BBC......the following report
"People living and working in an area of east London are unhappy at plans to film the adaptation of Monica Ali's book, Brick Lane, in the area. They claim the book is "insulting" towards the predominately Bangladeshi community of Brick Lane, Shoreditch.
"The book is a good work of literature, but is insulting to the community...People are disgusted about the film, and while the authorities have given permission for it to be filmed here, it does not mean they have permission from the community....We will do what the community wants us to do. We are not going to leave it as it is....They have no right to do it [film] in Brick Lane" - a community leader"
More on Guardian...
Abdus Salique threatened to burn Ali's book at a rally on Sunday which is expected to be attended by hundreds of protesters. He said the rally would be peaceful, adding that he was trying to deter fringe elements - "who could become violent" - from attending. But he added: "[If] she has the right to freedom of speech, we have the right to burn books. We will do it to show our anger. We don't like Monica Ali. We are protecting our community's dignity and respect."

He continued: "It is not just filming [in Brick Lane] which is the problem. We don't want a film which degrades our community." Monchab Ali, chairman of the Greater Sylhet council, who is is helping to mobilise support for Sunday's rally, said he planned to bring a coach load of up to 100 protesters from Chester. "We are also in touch with people who are coming from Cardiff, Manchester and Birmingham," he said. George Galloway, MP for Bethnal Green and Bow, said: "It is dangerous to spread alarmist rumours about the protest. People have a right to peacefully express how they feel about how they might be portrayed."
So what's all these fuss about...what is in that special book that has angered so many Sylhetis. Since I haven't read the book myself, I have to rely on the news reports for the time being. From the Guardian again...
"The campaign has echoed complaints made when the book was published in 2003, that it promulgates stereotypes of Sylhetis, who form 95% of Britain's Bangladeshi community.

Claiming that Ali has been influenced by her father, a non-Sylheti from Dhaka, campaigners cite extracts from the book in which characters mock Sylhetis as "dirty little monkeys" who are: "Uneducated. Illiterate. Close-minded.""
But tensions appear to have been stoked by rumours circulating the area's restaurants and market shops, rather than direct extracts from the book. Campaigners claim, for example, that the film production company has offered young men in the community lucrative "bribes" to work as extras.

At a meeting on Monday night, community leaders expressed horror at a scene rumoured to show a leech falling from the hair of a Bangladeshi woman into a curry pot in a Brick Lane restaurant. "What will this do to our businesses, our reputation?" said Mohammed Tahir Ali, a trustee of Shadwell Garden Mosque."
The depiction of the Sylheti community might have been too rude for a guest audience but to us who are Bangladeshis living here that closely resembles the state of Sylhetis living in Britain - like it or not ! Monical Ali, a non-Sylheti Bangladeshi herself, 'might have' played typical Western cards in potraying an Eastern society but that doesn't change the real picture. Ofcourse there are exceptions but the reality is not too comforting. Anyway, now a new battle of words has started between the infamous Islam basher Salman Rushdie and the matriarch of the women’s liberation movement, Germaine Greer, who famously burned her bra in the 1960s.
Germaine Greer defended the residents of Brick Lane saying, “Ali did not concern herself with the possibility that her plot might seem outlandish to the people of Brick Lane,” she wrote in a signed article. “As British people know little about the Bangladeshi people in their midst, their first appearance as characters in an English novel had the force of a defining caricature,” she added.
I totally agree with the above comment by Germaine Greer. As the British people don't have much idea about Bangladeshi community, they might get a false idea about Bangladeshis in general. In that case the Sylheti Bangladeshis have a valid point. But I guess the Sylheti leaders are not fighting for Bangladesh, they are fighting for British Sylhetis only ! If they cared about Bangladesh and Islam, they would have and should have done many things over the last fifty years or so.
Rushdie described Greer’s defence of the Brick Lane activists as “philistine, sanctimonious and disgraceful, but it is not unexpected”. His rancour against Greer goes back to her lack of support of his troubles during the Satanic Verses crisis.

Rushdie claimed Greer had “described me as a megalomaniac”. “Now it’s Ali’s turn to be deracinated by her,” he said.
Well, personally, I woudn't even bother what Rushdie says or not. He looks like an Ar*e-ho*l* and then talks like an Ar*e-ho*l. He has Indian orgin, the films casts only Indian actors and actresses to potray Bangladeshi characterers (surprise! surprise !), the book badly potrays (not intentioanlly perhaps) both Bangladesh and Islam. So no wonder Rushdie is so vocal about it.
It will be interesting to see what happens when the film releases in UK. Lets just wait and see.

29 Comments:

Blogger The Bengali Fob said...

Goodness gracious! Maybe the Sylhetis should be more angry about the fact that they are being portrayed by Indian actors!

8:38 PM  
Blogger The Bengali Fob said...

Oh yeah, one more thing. I think that most Bangladeshis have ruined the beautiful language of Bangla. I can't bear to stand any of the Bangla dialects! They are all horrible and a disgrace to the Bangla language!

Bangali manush-derke shooddho bangla shekhano ocheet!

8:44 PM  
Blogger Faylasuf said...

Anon,for your info - Pakistani administration asked for Urdu as the state language in 52 not 71. I guess you don't have much idea about your root country. Anyway, speaking a foreign language and learning to speak the standard form of one's own language is two seperate things. I hope you get that ! The branding of Sylhetis as 'uneducated' won't change no matter what propaganda you resort to. We need to address the issue collectively. I am proud of the Sylheti community here in Britain. They have done amazing progress in the last 50 years in terms of business in UK. It's not about Dhaka vs. Sylhet. It's a issue that affects all of us - our representation, outlook and the ability to integrate into this multicultural modern society.

Lastly, Monica Ali is hardly a Dhakaiya or Bangladeshi. She is British in all aspects. If she critised Sylheti community, you should complain to her and not to Dhakayas who have no part in this 'Bricklane' saga.

4:50 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In my opinion, the discriminatory attitudes displayed by some non-Sylhetis (‘Dhakaiyas’) toward Sylhetis in the diaspora betray their own frustrations, insecurities and lack of success in life. Non-Sylhetis often stereotype Sylhetis as uneducated and as not being ‘proper’ Bangladeshis as a means of voicing their disapproval about the Sylheti tendency to stick to own community (in part as a result of discrimination at the hand of non-Sylhetis) and to marry amongst our own (thus keeping wealth within own communities at the expense of non-Sylhetis).

Many non-Sylheti émigrés come to the UK hoping to make something of themselves but too often find it difficult to find a job and obtain immigration status. They see long-established Sylheti families (second and third generation) holding down good jobs and able to navigate the complexities of modern life and feel resentment and hate. More so because they feel out of place given the different Sylheti language and culture. One shouldn’t blame non-Sylhetis too much but help them integrate better into the mainstream.

This is the reason the Sylheti-Dhakaiya issue is so explosive while Chittagongi or Rajshaiya or Khulnese issues with Dhakaiyas hardly get a mention (despite the existence of mutual dislikes there as well). If so many Sylhetis didn’t live abroad, one doubts whether much would be made of the conflict between Sylhetis and Dakaiyas. At the end of the day it comes down to good ol’ resentment and jealousy.

ps. Why is it that some Dhakaiya students hoping to stay in the UK vis the marriage route, hope to marry Sylheti girls, if they think we are so 'uneducated' and 'close-minded'? Hypocricy?

10:34 PM  
Blogger Faylasuf said...

Dear Anon, sadly your opinion is way beyond wrong to say the least. Let me tell you why. There is no frustration on either side. Let me tell you the real picture since you have pressed for it. Sylhetis in UK are not the most established ones - that's a fact! The most established and wealthy ones are the thousands of Bangladeshi doctors who have settled here over the years. These 'elite' doctors live a very posh life in UK unlike the Sylhetis in general who lead a very low profile life. These doctors are not Sylhety but mostly from Dhaka and other places. Now let me tell you where the real differences between these two groups are.

In Bangladesh and in the Indian sub-continent, restaurant work is seen as a very low profile job - you like it or not ! Therefore the elite doctors here don't want to mix with the restaurant workers. I am not saying it's right but that's exactlt what happens. My brothre-in-law is a consultant doctor himself and he would never invite any Sylheti hotel worker in his house. Bangladeshi doctors association arranges hundreds of parties all around the year but they never invite the Sulhety community because of the cultural gap rather than anything else.

Also, the Sylheti community don't want to mix and mingle outside their community. The proof is me trying exteremely hard to mix with the Sylheti families and persons but the end results remained zero. There was no response from the Sylheti side but they do complain all the time that the 'Dhakayia' people don't mix with them because they are too educated. As you know, Sylhetis mostly live in deprived areas and the posh Bangladeshis would never live in such areas. Therefore the cultural gap gets wider day by day.

Also Sylheti people are deeply religious and conservative but they do sell alcohol to earn their bread - a 'dilemma' which Dhaka people can't understand. The setlled Dhaka people are mostly of secular or not-so-religious type. All these differences make up the cultural division. It applies to all the nationality - not only Bangladeshis. An Indian doctor, most probably, would never attend a party thrown by an Indian shop-keeper. This divisions stems from our practices bach home and huge emphasis on education. In Indian sub-continent, status and respect is earned by being educated and not by just having loads of money -something the Sylhetis have failed to understand. This is no jealousy - that's our deep rooted cultural gap based on education and etiquette.

11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Are Sylhetis generally better integrated than Dakaiyas/Non-Sylhetis? Hmmm....let us weigh the facts.

As a foreign student/immigrant in the UK, you run a Blog dedicated to Bangladesh. Politically right-wing (Pro BNP-Jamaat).

Most second/third generation Sylhetis like me think overt interest in Bangladeshi politics amounts to FOBish behaviour (something we expect our parents/grandparents to talk about) We can't be bothered.

Your own actions seem to paint a contrary picture to your earlier assertion that Dhakaiyas are better integrated than Sylhetis.

ps. Do you honestly think that a freshie Doctor who has sat his PLAB examinations is going to be favoured over a British Sylheti med student/Doctor? Is this why the NHS is restricting contracts with Doctor's from the Indian sub-continent in favour of the expected influx of Eastern European candidates as European integration get's closer. Dream on bro...

7:58 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Are Sylhetis generally better integrated than Dakaiyas/Non-Sylhetis? Hmmm....let us weigh the facts.

As a foreign student/immigrant in the UK, you run a Blog dedicated to Bangladesh. Politically right-wing (Pro BNP-Jamaat).

Most second/third generation Sylhetis like me think overt interest in Bangladeshi politics amounts to FOBish behaviour (something we expect our parents/grandparents to talk about) We can't be bothered.

Your own actions seem to paint a contrary picture to your earlier assertion that Dhakaiyas are better integrated than Sylhetis.

ps. Do you honestly think that a freshie Doctor who has sat his PLAB examinations is going to be favoured over a British Sylheti med student/Doctor? Is this why the NHS is restricting contracts with Doctor's from the Indian sub-continent in favour of the expected influx of Eastern European candidates as European integration get's closer. Dream on bro...

7:58 PM  
Blogger Faylasuf said...

"Are Sylhetis generally better integrated than Dakaiyas/Non-Sylhetis? Hmmm....let us weigh the facts. "

Better integrated with What ? Sylhetis are not integrated with British society nor they are integrated with the Bangladeshi society. They are only integrated to Sylhet. That's a very shallow way of leading life in a foreign country. Saying that, many other immigrant communities have the same problem. The cultural integration will take time - possibly few generations. But the fact remains a fact for the present.



"As a foreign student/immigrant in the UK, you run a Blog dedicated to Bangladesh. Politically right-wing (Pro BNP-Jamaat)."

I am still a Bangladeshi and have every right to talk about my country. I am not politically correct blogger and I don't belong to right or left. I hate nationalism (BNP) and I don't believe in secularism and pro-india policies (AL). I hope it clarifies my position.

"Your own actions seem to paint a contrary picture to your earlier assertion that Dhakaiyas are better integrated than Sylhetis."

When did I say Dhakayas are better integrated ? Established and wealthy necessarily don't mean better integrated culturally. Again, I am a Bangladeshi myself and therefore cultural integration is not my problem. since you are a proud British , you should worry about integration for the good of yourself and your children.

Let me tell you something from the mouth of an educated 2nd generation Sylheti. When asked about the Sylheti community he replied - "I don't represent them". I hope it says it all. Since it's coming from the horse's mouth - you probably won't disagree.

"ps. Do you honestly think that a freshie Doctor who has sat his PLAB examinations is going to be favoured over a British Sylheti med student/Doctor? Is this why the NHS is restricting contracts with Doctor's from the Indian sub-continent in favour of the expected influx of Eastern European candidates as European integration get's closer."

what the hell are you talking about ? Are you on drugs bro ? How are all these relevant to the topic ? Please produce some Sylheti Doctors and then talk. I will be the happiest person if I see Sylheti Doctors outperforms all others including Dhakayas. The same way sylhety musicians like 'Kaya'(UK) or 'Fuad'(US) has managed to breed a new generation of Westerners having a proud Sylhety-Bangladeshi root, I would like to see more of them in every field. These famous Sylhetis are more popular to Dhakayas(poor Bangladeshis !) rather than to Sylhetis themselves living in Britain or USA.

Lastly, get a name and talk. Don't be a chicken !

10:18 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have to say I agree with some of the comments here. I myself am Sylheti and although I do not deny that there are a small band of up and coming 'progressive' well-read sylhetis I think the vast majority are not as broadened and established as the 'dhakai' class of educated doctors and so forth. I do feel this is something which will slowly settle through the generations but although I think some may find Monica Ali's book was offensive to Sylhetis, I have to say she hit the nail on a head which definetly needed to be hit at some point. Also I feel she was representing certain characters and their negative view of sylhetis as one particular view but this is pitted often against people who are very good friends with sylhetis in the book as well as the snide superficiality which can often reside in the so-called 'educated'/often Dhakai class, that typical dry intellectual long-worded prune-ism which acquires titles and books but not much else. All in all her book to me was more ambiguous than made out but I don;t think it was an attack per se on Sylhetis but more a hard hitting reality of just how regressive and close-minded sylhetis are. You see to me Bengalis generally are a pretentious, arrogant snobbish bunch with little deeper insight and wisdom as such, what the Prophet (pbuh) once likened to 'donkeys with books on their backs', but I have to say the Sylheti community generally is on a low par compared to the rest. Back in Sylhet it is just as bad, you have a lot of 'new money' families who move into big houses (usually stolen off their relatives abroad) who act, for want of a better word, 'ssstandard' and play out all the cultural game very well. Underneath it they are not that far off from the dry intellectual bengali prunes I have become accustomed to as well from Dhaka...the difference is they don;t have much book bragging just 'isstyle and ssstandard' bragging. Honestly if I see another Sylheti girl walking down the street all 'sstandard' with her hair flicked back, head poised, with a regal composure and her books poised between her hand and her chest parading down the street..I will puke...the superficiality gets veryy boring..so also the 'tea and somosa serving', chit-chatty, girly charade.

10:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's sad to see that Dhakaiyas can't get over the fact that the Sylheti community is coming into it's own and finding success in the diaspora community. I think Dhakaiya envy makes all Bangladeeshis look bad.

10:19 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

haha...i can't believe people are actually fighting about this! i guess we should all take ourselves less seriously sometimes.

11:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi all,

I hope you all are having a nice time. I can not understand it really that why on earth do we the Bangladeshi community, in the UK mainly have to bring this isssue up at all? Cultureis a dynamic thing and the huge gap between sylheti Bangladeshi and Bangladeshi Bangali( those who speak Bangla as a native language/mother tongue. I am afraid that Sylhetis are not Bangali but Bangladeshi and it is a fact that can not be denied anyway. This fact is established and we must accept this. As a Bangali from Bangladesh and since I have spent much time of my life in Dhaka, it will be more appropriate to label me as a Dhakaiya/Dhakiyan. I find it very rude and inadmissible when I hear people speaking in dialects in a civilised gathering or in formal situations. Even it is a disgrace to all who speak dialects in their daily life. However, speaking dialects is one thing and denying to learn the proper language(in this case Bangla) is another. All sylhetis I have known in the UK are socially very much sylheti and they are culturally very much deprived. Sylhet is a small thing compared to the rest of Bangladesh. Sylheti is a dialect and a crude version of proper Bangla language. I think sylhetis should realise the fact that they are really uneducated uncultured and they have got no idea about the source of their origin and about the source of the language. They must be able to speak proper Bangla to avoid humiliation and to get integrated to Bangali community. If they choose to remain within their own narrow community (sylheti) they will never ever emerge as a civilised community.

4:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sylheti Bangalis emigrated in large numbers to the West and are therefore relatively better educated and prosperous than Bangalis from other regions. This causes the resentment and jealousy that leads many newly arrived Dhakaiya immigrants ('freshies') to attack the more established Sylhetis as 'uneducated'. I firmly believe that we Sylhetis should not exclude our fellow Bangali brothers from the Brit Sylheti community and our institutions because they are prejudiced. Unlike us these Non-Sylheti come from poor third world backgrounds. We Sylheti Bangalis must educate through interaction. We must however continue to ensure that our pure Sylheti culture is recognised as lingua franca amongst the Brit-Bangladeshi community. Hence only our language programmes and not those for Non-Sylhetis should receive Brit govt financial support.

8:27 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

One can readily tell that Non-Sylheti Bengali must be 'posh elites' by the fact that unlike Sylhetis these people don't even know how to use commode toilets when they enter the UK! If people from Dhaka and Chittagong are to be accorded 'elite' status in the UK, someone will have to explain to me why they always beseech Sylheti resuarant, grocery and shop owners to give them low profile menial jobs. haha

1:16 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I pray everyone is well. I just wanted to do a comment why Dhakaya people hate Sylhetis so much? Don't be so jealous and cold toward the other peoples. If you want to have success in your life then work hard, believe in Allah (swt) and look after your family. Don't be greedy only to look after yourself. Send money to relatives in Bangladesh.

10:42 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sylhet is a place in Bangladesh. It is not a separate country and never will be despite stupid ideas floated by some simple-minded people living in the UK.

The conflict here is about education and class. I have been told that Sylhet was once a prosperous kingdom within Bengal and a seat of learning (ancient history). In modern Bangladesh, education is not available for all - noted Bengal suffered tremendously under British rule, then the Pakistani years and then years of military dictatorship. The Sylheti's here are from rural families. Rural education in Bangladesh has not been invested in. Considering the majority of the population lives in rural areas, is there any other explanation for the low level of education of the migrants that came here? It doesn't matter whether you live in a town, city or a village - you should have the right to an education. I don't see any point in blaming a community for the failings of governments. I have come across a lot of Sylheti bashing - it's not very nice at all. I've also seen a lot of posturing from people about being 'Bangladeshi' and looking down on the migrant community here. They do not appreciate the complexities of negotiating life in a western country. I generally find the attitude patronising and supercilious. At the end of the day, if some people from Bangladesh escaped to a better life, surely that's less of a drain on Bangladesh?

6:49 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The only reason there are so many uneducated sylhetis in the uk is becuase they come from very rual remote villages of poor background so they have that backward village mentality they tend to be closemeinded and uneducated , most of the non-sylhetis on the other hand come to this country with a silver spoon
up there ass they come from middleclass/upperclass background so of course they tend to be more open-miinded and well educated but things are improving paticularly among the British born sylheti bangladeshis. In my NEIGHBOURHOOD there are several non sylheti bangladeshis fron nohkhali and barisal and believe me they are just as uneducated,backward,close-minded exc, as the sylheti expats are, this is not a sylheti or non sylheti thing this is a class thing. I DONT SEE HOW SYLHETIS CAN BE STEREOTYPED AS UNEDUCATED when the vast majority of the people in Bangladesh are illiterate there are thousands of non-sylheti bangladeshi peasants living in india,assam (do some fucking research if anyone dont believe me !) and in the middle east, THESE ARROGANT BIGOTS SERIOUSLY NEED TO PULL THERE HEAD OUT OF THERE ASS !! the litteracy rate is lower in sylhet but thats becuase the sylhet region is the most rual region of Bangladesh there are much more people living in poverty there also so many are growing up in very remote villages they are simply ignorant of the importance of education. I personally have no problem with the book some sylhetis are pissed becuase "chanu" mocks sylhetis but that is a refletion of reality there are plenty of non-sylheti Bangldeshis out there that mock sylhetis for instance i have met numerous non-sylhetis mainly from Dhaka that have told me "my parents hate sylhetis" by the way why should we learn to speak proper bangla when so many of you non-sylhetis declare that we are not even bengali ?! besides if we sylhetis dont live in Bangladesh why should we have to speak proper bangla ?! .

7:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Sylheti people tend to control businesses, mosques and professions in Britain. Bangla patriotism isn't big amongst us because of the language thing. The people from other districts came to the UK only more recently. This is where the hostility to Sylhetis comes from. You really think an immigrant with a Bangladeshi degree is worth the same as one that got a British degree??

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hahahahaha Sylhetis on here still droning on about that total BS line of them being "more successful" than any other BDi immigrant group - that's a complete joke. Sylhetis are amongst the least educated and least paid of ALL ethnic groups in the UK. They are usually on benefits. When they do work, it's mainly in the family restaurant business. They put this nonsense out there (that Sylhetis are more educated than other BDi groups) because deep down they are very insecure about their own inferior position - AND THAT'S SIMPLY A FACT!

After having spent 2/3 generations here they are still nowhere on the political/economic sphere of UK life. They are all ignorant enough to think BD is simply "Dhakaiya" vs Sylhet. What these fools don't seem to understand is that BD is a MUCH bigger place than that - and almost no other type of BDi (whether from Rajshahi, Chittagong, Noakhali etc.) bothers to seriously outline where they are from in BD, since we think of ourselves as Bangladeshi/Bengali anyway. Sylhetis don't bother with this because they prefer to huddle together en masse to celebrate their societal failure in accomplishing anything as a whole. They've more or less single-handedly made Bangladeshis look useless in the UK since they are the primary diaspora group here.


I don't even care about their particular dialect since you could say that of any Bangladeshi.

Oh and PS Sylhetis please get it through your thick heads that "Dhakaiya" is not shuddho Bangla. It is factually incorrect to say so and their are some types of Dhakaiya speech (e.g. Dhaka city) that are unrecognisable to shuddho-only speakers.


God they are so illiterate it brings tears to my eyes. I sometimes don't even know where to begin.

1:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sylhetis are backward tribal Assamese-reject hill-people retards.

To make it worse, they're @$$h0les too.


--RLB

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

To be honest it makes sense that Sylhetis are generally more close-minded. Because that's what talentless people do. They HAVE to remain closed off to the rest of the world otherwise if they tried to compete on the "open market" they would more-or-less be crushed.

You can see this in their general churlishness and complete lack of success in any field(s). One only has to browse the statistical literature to see they do among the worst in terms of achievement in Britain.

Overall, clinging to their backward "tribal" ways is all they have left.

3:45 AM  

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